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Re: Discovery: Star Trek Returns to Television???

Post by Scrattch » 02/02/18

Agreed.

Here's the thing: Discovery is decent sci-fi. It got off to a slow start, and they're getting a little Deus Ex Machina lately, but it's fairly solid and not afraid to pull punches (for CBS/Paramount).

It's just that it doesn't FEEL like a Trek property 90% of the time. I think, honestly, it might have done/do better in a standalone universe of its own. But they do have my interest, I'll give them that.

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Post by Psia » 02/05/18

  • Specialist Burnham exchanged eye contact with Commander Saru, "Yes, Captain."
...Well, I predict that will go seriously sideways. But the acting is superb. So I'm enjoying this particular ride.

I've seen it all now. Save for the season finale. While my opinion of the series style at the outset hasn't changed, I admit to a turning point while watching Episode 8, "Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum". Which was written by Kirsten Beyer. She is not a lightweight among Trek novelists. Her story, with very little tweaks, could fit into almost any Star Trek series. Which makes it accessible.

I give credit to the season story arc they finally settled into. It was certainly an interesting one, even it took me eight episodes to get there. The continuity that was so blatantly absent at the outset just might sort itself out. Here is to hoping.
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Post by Tregarde » 02/06/18

Well, ep. 9 felt like they tried to cram two episodes worth of plot and character development into a single episode, so nothing got the time it really needed. But at least it ended on a twist that I don't think anyone expected. Seeing the new captain in action should be fun, too bad there's only one episode left to see it.

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Post by Tregarde » 02/08/18

Apparently Doug Jones has signed on to the upcoming 'What We Do In the Shadows' TV series. This does not bode well for the future of Mr. Saru.

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Post by Psia » 02/08/18

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Apparently Doug Jones has signed on to the upcoming 'What We Do In the Shadows' TV series. This does not bode well for the future of Mr. Saru.
Jones is a seriously hot commodity right now. I can't imagine Discovery being his only gig. With this Trek being only 10-13 episode seasons, he could alternate between productions.
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Post by Tregarde » 02/12/18

After seeing the season ender... Overall rating of Discovery: It almost works.

I really don't know how else to describe the show without going into a really long review. So much of it almost works. It gets close, there's glimmers here and there... but... *shrug*

It'll be interesting to see where they go in season 2 after that unnecessary cliff hanger. But I did like the updated design.

Oh, and Saru was robbed!

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Post by Psia » 02/12/18

I will be viewing it shortly. Then I can reread what you just wrote, heh.

Edited to add: Sweet Jeebus. That is Clint Howard.
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Post by Psia » 02/13/18

Without spoilers (as our tags aren't operating yet), the finale for Star Trek Discovery, sported predictable character behavior at some points. However, what the characters did do was not predictable for me. I don't surprise easily. Some matters were resolved enough to my satisfaction. Qapla'! While a cliffhanger wasn't really necessary, what is offered was not at all what I might have expected. I predicted if that were to happen, it wouldn't happen until season two. She, IMO, looks good and I have no complaints. Now the fandom of the internet is another story altogether. I see 50/50 responses thus far.

I agree with you, Tregarde. Saru got robbed and I'm not impressed. Which is my only seriously negative thing I have to say about the episode. Serious enough for us to mention.
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Post by Tregarde » 02/13/18

In Its First Season, Star Trek: Discovery Asked Hard Questions It Never Really Wanted the Answers to
https://io9.gizmodo.com/in-its-first-se ... 1822820665

This article really nails one of the biggest problems with Discovery. Hopefully the writers learn from it and do better in season 2.

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Post by Psia » 03/07/18

Alec Peters, creator of Star Trek: Axanar, has posted his own review of Discovery. It's spoiler free for the most part.
I am always asked what I think of Star Trek Discovery, because well, there is a lot of controversy over Discovery. Some fans like it, some hate it. It has created a huge divide among Star Trek fans, many of whom say CBS doesn’t care about actual Star Trek fans.

Well, TV has changed over the years and so has the way that TV shows tell stories. Everything is serialized now. DS9 was the first truly serialized Star Trek, and it worked pretty well for them! And I don’t think anyone thinks that Star Trek will ever be like it used to be. S0 Discovery being serialized is to have been expected. And I have no problem with that.

Also, Alex Kurtzman and his team decided to reboot the universe but claim they weren’t! Unlike his mentor, JJ Abrams, who was very clear in the 2009 Star Trek, that the movie was an alternate timeline (preserving everything in Prime the timeline), Kurtzman is rebooting TOS, with a totally different look, different uniforms, different ships, totally different Klingons, etc. And the worse of it, is they are trying to tell us it is NOT a reboot! And this is much of the problems fans have. This is not the TOS fans want. Just say it is a reboot and I think there would be a lot less blowback. Heck, set it after Voyager!

But CBS is trying to get a whole new audience and catering to hard core fans won’t get them the audience they want. (Though it seems doing it their way didn’t get them the audience they wanted either). But I totally get the new look. You want to reach an audience that has seen the Star Trek movies and who is not nostalgic for TOS. You need to have a look and feel that a modern audience can relate to. So it makes sense.

So now to my take.

Well, I actually don’t mind Discovery. I am through episode 12, and about to watch the last episodes.

I have a very inclusive view of Star Trek. I think Star Trek is a multi-verse, with alternate timelines for every incarnation. You have Prime Timeline, the Mirror Universe, the JJ Verse, the Animated Series, the books, the FASA timeline, Starfleet Battles. Each one is worthy of inclusion in the Star Trek multi-verse. And this is both how I look at Discovery and how CBS should too.

So other than that, what do I think? Well, I actually think it is OK. Yes, it tramples all over canon, and there are so many cute tricks the writers try to endear themselves to fans (Harry Mudd, Mirror Universe). But I am not a hater. I don’t reflexively dump on Discovery because it is not “Star Trek”. It clearly is trying to be, and it is made from CBS, the current rights holder (Paramount owned Star Trek for its first 45 or so years). The issue fans are upset about is that many feel that Star Trek Discovery doesn’t honor the soul of Star Trek. Well, if you want that, there is this great show called The Orville…

Star Trek Discovery is fine. An interesting premise, with some excellent actors (we wanted to cast Jason Isaacs in Axanar), great VFX, nice sets and competent writing. The problem is, that it is happening in a world where we have brilliant shows like Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad, Stranger Things, Hannibal, American Gods, The Crown, The Walking Dead, House of Cards, Orange is the New Black and basically anything from Marvel (except Iron Fist). So a mediocre show that splits your fan base is basically weak tea in the current environment. It doesn’t make anyone’s top ten list and it should because it is STAR TREK. But nothing was learned from the mostly unsuccessful JJ movies. Discovery was wildly over budget, and Les Moonves fired the ONE GUY who could have pulled it off, Bryan Fuller. I mean the guy does Hannibal and American Gods and you fire him? Bad move. The guy is a winner. Hell, he walks on water in my book (and he is an Axanar fan).

So, I think everyone should watch Discovery, but certainly don’t subscribe to CBS All Access (at least for more than you have to to binge Discovery). Because I think we should always support the franchise.

So what do YOU think?

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Post by Tregarde » 03/25/18

Unused Scene Confirms Major Fan Theory for Star Trek: Discovery, and Hints What's to Come

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Makes sense. We'll just have to wait and see if they use this tidbit in season 2.

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Post by Scrattch » 03/25/18

HA! CALLED IT!

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Post by Psia » 03/26/18

I saw that. It is an arc that makes sense for that character when I thought about it. I mean their tactics are right up her alley.

Related to the plot point is that there are those Starfleet arrowhead badges. Worn by several of Discovery's crew from episode 3 forward. With the black color? Which, consistent with that clip, are only now being officially marketed as Section 31 badges. Until now there was no such thing as a Section 31 badge. They never wore one. Even in the dialogue the man states he is not Starfleet. Okay. Then explain use of the Starfleet arrowhead?
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Post by Scrattch » 03/27/18

Plausible deniability?

Yeah, I'm just guessing. They were rather pointed about how they highlighted the black badges during the first episode of STD. The question is was it actually laid out with thought to the second season, or are they just guessworking an arc and are cobbling together bits? Why not throw the bit with Empress G and Section 31 on the end of the season one finale to give some closure/titillation? Why the delay?

I dunno... nothing about STD makes sense to me. But I watch it anyway.

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Until now there was no such thing as a Section 31 badge. They never wore one. Even in the dialogue the man states he is not Starfleet. Okay. Then explain use of the Starfleet arrowhead?
I've long since gave up on Discovery being logical and following the Prime Timeline canon, and it never should have been marked as such. It's a new timeline and they can tweak things however they want. As long as the show gets better in season 2 is all I ask.

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Post by Psia » 04/09/18

Season Two will continue right where season one left off. They have cast Captain Christopher Pike. He has certainly has the right look.
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Post by Tregarde » 04/15/18

Two bits of news:

'Star Trek: Discovery': Spock Confirmed to Appear in Season 2
http://comicbook.com/startrek/2018/04/1 ... lashbacks/


'Star Trek: Discovery' Was Legally Required to Redesign the Enterprise
http://comicbook.com/startrek/2018/04/1 ... ign-legal/

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Post by Psia » 04/16/18

I had read both those news items as well. Both Comicbook and Io9 ran with the revelation today. It's the redesign of Enterprise - however subtle some of it may be - that has the tongues wagging in the circles I follow. Apparently, the Facebook post in which Eaves revealed the legal reference has since been deleted. Which has resulted in tongues wagging even more. Speculating that CBS told him to take it down.
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Post by Tregarde » 04/26/18

Short promo clip of making of season 2, and... Holy shit, are those... original Trek style uniforms???

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Post by Psia » 04/26/18

It does look like it. Looked like thicker material on that sewing table. With minor stylistic change around the shoulders. Which I could live with. Pretty sure we were seeing the back of Pike's head in the command gold.
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Post by Psia » 05/04/18

Interesting.
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Oh god, please no.

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Post by Psia » 05/05/18

Maybe she isn't a Troi family member at all? She could be playing just about anyone for a show set in that period.
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